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Mark Entrekin: Thank you for joining everyone Hello, and welcome back to another inspiring episode of the achieving unity, success, formula, weekly, podcast
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Mark Entrekin: where we turn chaos into connection and purpose into action. We need that so much. Today
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Mark Entrekin: I am your host, Mark intriken. And today's episode is about the achieving unity, success formula
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Mark Entrekin: through Sarah, the Constitution. Cowgirl. Yes.
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Mark Entrekin: Sarah is a bold, spirited voice, galloping into the heart of America's founding documents with purpose and personality. Something we need in our judicial system and legal system today.
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Mark Entrekin: with a flair for making the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence not just readable but relatable.
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Mark Entrekin: Sarah is blazing a trail through the often inaccessible world of intrinsic law.
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Mark Entrekin: She's ditching that jargon and riding straight into the lives of hardworking US. Citizens.
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Mark Entrekin: helping them understand their rights and responsibilities in plain, powerful language.
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Mark Entrekin: So with her boots on the ground approach and a deep love for liberty, Sarah is showing us how understanding our foundational freedoms isn't just patriotic.
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Mark Entrekin: It's essential to us building a better tomorrow.
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Mark Entrekin: But first, st
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Mark Entrekin: Do you sometimes just say what the frustration?
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Mark Entrekin: Yeah, that's the better word. Find value in your actions instead of reacting in anger and frustration.
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Mark Entrekin: Achieving unity does not solve the problems, but it does build those bridges to repossibility.
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Mark Entrekin: It encourages every person's growth by replacing criticism with compassion.
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Mark Entrekin: It inspires change through hope, not pressure.
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Mark Entrekin: Every step forward matters include every voice, so no one feels unseen, unheard, or unworthy
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Mark Entrekin: when we replace disconnection with empathy
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Mark Entrekin: and frustration, with understanding. We create space for trust, collaboration, and shared success.
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Mark Entrekin: That is how we thrive together achieving unity.
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Mark Entrekin: We have more podcasts coming up. I'm so glad you're here today. But please put this on your calendar for the next 5 weeks we are showing a lot of big programs coming.
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Mark Entrekin: Vicki Maizell be talking with us on championing memory enhancement, enhancement. How many times we forget things?
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Mark Entrekin: Is it because we have a bad memory
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Mark Entrekin: are because of our priorities? And maybe this.
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Mark Entrekin: what we're thinking about are all the things that we're thinking about. We're not
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Mark Entrekin: thinking them through. Come back. We'll talk to Vicki. Find out more about that.
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Mark Entrekin: How about Dr. L. Ali Ankarani? He will come talk to you about the 4 keys to optimizing your brain potential.
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Mark Entrekin: How many of us are using our full brain? You probably remember in school they taught us. We're only using a small percentage. Come back. Dr. L. Will talk to us more about that.
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Mark Entrekin: And then Tiffany Kellogg, knock your socks off, mom. She'll come, talk to us about relationships.
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Mark Entrekin: things that she does. She's a mom without children.
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Mark Entrekin: just you probably know somebody else that it may be the same.
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Mark Entrekin: Bring it back. Let's talk about the communication. How we all do work in unity, Lori Sheldon.
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Mark Entrekin: to heal, rebuild, resolve, create the life and love you deserve after toxic relationships. And don't forget starting in August, we have 4 straight weeks talking about moms, mothers, relationships and parenting time from the mother side. The mom side of the partnership.
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Mark Entrekin: After that, on August 13, th Jamie Martin will be here.
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Mark Entrekin: Silence, doubt, and start living your life on your terms. How many times do we listen to other people.
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Mark Entrekin: How many times we know better about what we need to do with our life?
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Mark Entrekin: Our decisions come back. Jamie will be here on August 13th
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Mark Entrekin: again. Put it on your calendar. Come back every week. We love talking with you.
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Mark Entrekin: And now for the highlight of the day. It's something I'm very excited about.
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Mark Entrekin: We've shared emails, but we haven't had the chance to chat in any kind of conversations.
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Mark Entrekin: But today we're going to talk about law.
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Mark Entrekin: liberty, and land rights with the Constitution. Cowgirl
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Mark Entrekin: Sarah Allen Tate is a 6th generation, Wyoming Resident.
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Mark Entrekin: She is a rancher.
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Mark Entrekin: She's an agriculture law attorney, founder of the Wild West advocacy.
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Mark Entrekin: She's known again as a constitution cowboy. We're going to have fun with that going into this. Find out more about where that came from.
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Mark Entrekin: But she's a rising voice in a natural resource law or in natural resource law, and a rural advocacy
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Mark Entrekin: with degrees in agriculture, communication, and law from the University of Wyoming. She's worked on Federal lands, endangered species and property right cases across the West.
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Mark Entrekin: Her viral content and nationwide speaking, have educated thousands on land policy, regulatory, overreach, overreach, and add advocacy.
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Mark Entrekin: Sarah also reaches or teaches ag law as an adjunct professor holds a second degree in Black Belt. We better be careful this thing. This is digital
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Mark Entrekin: and was named to the Cowgirl magazine's 30 under 30.
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Mark Entrekin: She continues to champion law.
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Mark Entrekin: liberty, and land education, legal work, and grassroots outreach. Please notice her Linkedin Channel on the bottom. Right? So get in touch with her after this, after our show today. If you're watching it today, or you're watching the recording. Get in touch with her. But please help me welcome, Miss Sarah.
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Mark Entrekin: Alan Tate.
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Sarah Tate: Thank you so much for having me on today.
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Mark Entrekin: My pleasure, sir. It's good to see you. How was your day going.
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Sarah Tate: It's it's going great. I've gotten to spend some time with my 7 month old son this morning, which is always a little crazy, but lots of fun.
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Mark Entrekin: But what's different from the 7 months to the 6 months? I mean, you've seen growth, I know. But isn't this
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Mark Entrekin: the child just kind of growing and learning, and it building.
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Sarah Tate: Well, I will say it has changed from 6 months, because now he has a walker that he can use to terrorize our dog and get around our house and get into everything we own. So
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Sarah Tate: 7 months is definitely different than 6 for me.
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Mark Entrekin: It does, it does, and they go fast as we had talked it. It grows so fast from 7 months to 8 months to 12 months and
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Mark Entrekin: 18 years. It's gonna go so fast.
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Mark Entrekin: But, Sarah, welcome again. And we see this, the Constitution cowgirl!
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Mark Entrekin: That's a fantastic handle. Can you take a minute and tell us a little bit about yourself
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Mark Entrekin: how that nickname came about. And what does it truly mean to you?
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Sarah Tate: Sure. So
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Sarah Tate: I have grown up in these kinds of issues that I work on. I went to college knowing the kinds of issues I wanted to work on. Both of my parents are ranchers and attorneys as well. And so I really grew up learning about these issues.
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Sarah Tate: The Constitution side of things. I take a little further. I started carrying a pocket constitution on my person when I was 12.
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Sarah Tate: Which is a very young age to start doing something like that.
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Sarah Tate: But I remember when I was around 1211, 12, I had seen my grandfather, who was a very passionate rancher.
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Sarah Tate: get in an argument at a dinner table. We were at a restaurant, and we were having dinner with some legislators and things like that, and he got in an argument, and someone the legislator he was talking to was saying, well, the Constitution says, and my grandfather pulled a constitution out of his jacket pocket and said, let's talk about what the Constitution says. And that made a huge impact on me as a child. And so I decided I was going to start carrying one of my own.
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Sarah Tate: It wasn't until I was in college when I realized how many people had never read the Constitution that I started carrying. I carry probably 10 at a time, and I hand them out to people that I'm talking to in public. Just we're in conversation, and when people are asking me what I do, and I tell them, and and so then I will just give them a constitution, and say you should really give this a read.
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Sarah Tate: and so I have a couple 100 copies of it at my house, and I just constantly refill. I have some in my diaper bag for my baby and purse briefcase you name it. I keep constitutions on hand so that I can give them out to people who, I think, should really give it a read, which is everybody, you know. If you do not know your rights, you can't enforce your rights.
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Sarah Tate: And so that's why I think it's so important to focus on the Constitution and in my legal profession, where I do focus mostly on land and water rights.
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Sarah Tate: and we do a lot of work for Federal lands and folks who have permits on Federal lands. And so a lot of times we're challenging the Federal Government. And so I cross arguments within the Constitution all the time in my practice, and I just think that it is one of those things that everybody should know about now. I had been doing that for a few years, and it actually wasn't until
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Sarah Tate: I had gone to the Cowgirl 30 under 30. And it's Cowgirl Magazine is who gives out that award. And after I had been nominated and selected, and I went to the celebration that they have in Fort Worth, Texas.
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Sarah Tate: and it is partly like a fashion kind of event, and I thought it was fun. And so I thought, Man, I'm a lawyer. I'm really into the Constitution. I'm going to have a very patriotic outfit, and so I had American flag, cowboy boots, and I was all decked out in red, white, and blue, and somebody called me man, you're the you're the Constitution cowgirl and I loved the name.
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Sarah Tate: and I had been actually thinking about it for a long time. I then took some time off because I had a child, and and then, when I went back to work, I thought, Man, I need to capitalize on that name. I cannot think of anything else that fits what I do, because my 2 favorite things in the whole world is patriotism and agriculture. And so I just adopted the name, the Constitution, cowgirl.
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Mark Entrekin: That is excellent, and I'm impressed. By the way.
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Mark Entrekin: it's a name that you can take with you. It talks about the Constitution as you mentioned. It's so important.
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Mark Entrekin: but also the cowboy cowgirl part of your life.
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Mark Entrekin: part of what you do and and how you live. You're a 6th generation, Wyoming rancher, I believe, is what I read, and
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Mark Entrekin: that that itself is incredible.
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Mark Entrekin: So what? Some things about being a cowgirl and being a lawyer, maybe you have some
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Mark Entrekin: interesting stories you could tell us about some ranch life lessons.
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Mark Entrekin: Sure, I apply to.
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Sarah Tate: Sure. So my hand is actually broken right now, because we were branding 2 weeks ago, and I got kicked by a calf and broke my hand. And so the 1st thing that comes to my mind about lessons from you know, being a rancher and I, you know I've grown up around cattle, that's all my family has ever done is ranch stuff happens.
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Sarah Tate: and you just have to roll with it, and you just have to work through it, and so when I broke my hand, it was on the 3rd calf that we branded on our 1st day of branding, and so I worked through the rest of our branding season with my broken hand, and I think that that really speaks to what a lot of ranchers do is things happen. The cows get out, a fence is down, and
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Sarah Tate: you just have to work with it. You do what you can with what you have, and I think that that has also helped me.
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Sarah Tate: Be patient with other people, you know, if someone is late to a meeting or has a specific circumstance come up, and you have to just give them a little bit of grace, and I know that
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Sarah Tate: largely because of things that happen on the ranch, I have needed that grace. And so, understanding that things happen, and there's nothing you can do about it. So it's better to just be as relaxed as you can just roll with it, and just keep working through whatever's going on.
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Mark Entrekin: What a great idea and concept I was raised in a small town in southeastern Mexico. I've I've cut cows before. What would you call that but the boot on one leg, hold the other leg, and let them do their.
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Sarah Tate: That's actually what I was doing. I cast, you know, everything. So okay.
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Mark Entrekin: I was going to use that word. So the good old mountain oysters I've enjoyed those, and it's it's it's an interesting life. But for me. I was one of those that if I wasn't doing something
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Mark Entrekin: like we would ride the horses out on my other French ranch, Tommy, and we had a great time out there, but after a while
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Mark Entrekin: I'd want I'd want to race the horses, and so did Tommy, and we got the racing, and then his dad would come out there in the truck and take the horses from us because we're racing out there on the lands, and he thought that wasn't wasn't a good idea.
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Mark Entrekin: but I like being out there with the In the agriculture. I've been out there in that world. We raise cotton down that in that area.
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Mark Entrekin: And it was it was. It was fun to be.
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Mark Entrekin: But if we talk about these things, and then we talk about you being a lawyer
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Mark Entrekin: and working with the Constitution of the United States, and I'm so with you. One of my dress codes has a constitution in it. Also in the side pocket.
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Mark Entrekin: I worked a lot in the divorce industry, and so I have a lot of
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Mark Entrekin: knowledge from that side, and a lot of times we feel that the Constitution isn't necessarily
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Mark Entrekin: followed in a lot of the situations that we have in family issues.
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Mark Entrekin: And I. And we see things as you talk about the Constitution
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Mark Entrekin: we're seeing, I think, and I'd love to have your feedback here. This is where this question is going to go.
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Mark Entrekin: I see a lot more, or feel.
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Mark Entrekin: There's a lot more court cases going to our supreme courts.
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Mark Entrekin: Why do you think that is what's what's going on? And you talk about with the land grabs and the things going on.
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Sarah Tate: I think it's very interesting. You know, one of the things that I remember learning in law school is. It's only somewhere around 1% of cases that are petitioned to the Supreme Court are actually heard in front of the Supreme Court. So it's very, very rare when the Us. Supreme court
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Sarah Tate: we have seen lately, and and they really a lot of the cases that have been heard in the last few years have had to do with limiting our Federal Government.
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Sarah Tate: and you see that in limiting agency authority, so the agencies are things like the Bureau of land management, the fish and wildlife service. Those are the agencies that I work with quite a bit. But there's a whole bunch of Federal agencies, and they follow the direction of the President.
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Sarah Tate: and they don't have lawmaking authority. That's what Congress is supposed to do, but they do have the authority to make regulations which have the same force and effect of law. And so lately we've seen a lot of cases that have to deal with limiting
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Sarah Tate: that agency authority with the basis that the Supreme Court is arguing that Congress should be making laws. And these regulations that there's there's something like 4,000 regulations passed in a year, and there's only like a couple 100 laws. And so it's really been a way to
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Sarah Tate: have more, you know, restrictions or rules on the public, even though that is not what our Constitution was set up to do. Our Constitution very clearly lays out
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Sarah Tate: that Congress has the law making authority. They do get to delegate some of their laws. But right now I actually think that our Supreme Court is acting in a way that is trying to have our constitution enforced more. As an originalist. An originalist means that somebody who typically believes that the Constitution should be enforced as it was intended to be enforced when it was written.
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Sarah Tate: whereas the other opposing side is that the Constitution is a living, breathing document, and it should be enforced, based on the views of the public right now.
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Mark Entrekin: And that is, and interesting as you're talking about that, because, as you mentioned in
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Mark Entrekin: And like we're talking, we're talking about a constitution.
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Mark Entrekin: I'm going a long ways here. But as you mentioned, it was written one way back in 1776,
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Sarah Tate: I do think that that is one of the things that is difficult about law is, you have black and white law, which is objective. You know this is what the law says. This is how it should be followed, but so much of that implementation can be very subjective. Right? So you look at the definition of words. And one thing that lawyers are very good at, and quite frankly, a lot of people hate lawyers for doing this, and I can say that as a lawyer is
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Sarah Tate: saying, Well, no, that word doesn't really mean this specific thing. It means, you know, something that will lean more in my favor. And so I think that when I look at the intent of the Constitution, which the Declaration of Independence was 1776, and the Constitution was 1787, and
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Sarah Tate: really give insight into what was happening at that time. And I think that that's where it's also very important to study history. Because I think it's easier to understand why certain decisions were made. If you understand what was going on at that time. One of the things that I talk about quite a bit is
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Sarah Tate: And Wyoming's 50% California. I don't remember the percentage of California, so I won't guess a number. But all of the States in the West have a lot of Federal lands, and when you look at the history of that, it's because the Federal Government wanted to retain these lands to release them slowly, so that you wouldn't have the same like 12 rich people in, you know, owning all of the land in the United States. They wanted it to be for a lot of people. And so then it wasn't until 1976
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Sarah Tate: You know, bunch of rich people from Virginia to own all of the land in California, and so all of the things that they did were to try to give Americans
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Mark Entrekin: And I could. Probably I could feed in with you. So you're right, Sarah, and I, and I love it. But it's like you said, for the, for the audience and for everybody that wants to come back. Listen to this. Touch on a few of the things.
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Sarah Tate: not just what the law says, but what the regulations say. So the laws are, as you said, what Congress writes, the regulations are supposed to help with the implementation of those laws, and so often. When you go to court, it's more likely going to be over a regulation versus a law
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Mark Entrekin: I'm sorry. Let me before you. Regulation is for the implementation of the law.
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Sarah Tate: Yes, okay, go ahead.
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Sarah Tate: because in the Constitution the executive branch is tasked with implementing and enforcing the laws that Congress writes and those agencies that I talked about earlier, like the Bureau of Reclamation, the Bureau of Land management, all of those they fall under the direction of the President.
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Sarah Tate: and so part of what makes things so confusing is every time we have a new President, all of the regulatory agencies change. And so the way that the President wants those laws to be enforced and implemented is going to change based on their political leanings. So if you think about the policy changes between the Obama administration to the Trump administration, to the Biden Administration back to the Trump Administration. Those are really severe swings.
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Sarah Tate: And so I think it's really important to read what the regulation says yourself, don't just, you know, and I know that as someone who posts on social media, you can believe me. But it's really important to not just believe what people say on the Internet. You should read the regulations that are impacting you yourself.
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Mark Entrekin: So true.
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Mark Entrekin: And when you one thing you don't want to do is go find somebody on Facebook that has written their interpretation of the law, and I have a couple of friends out there that
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Mark Entrekin: And so, as we talk about this, and one of the things that truly impressed me about what you do and what you're doing is the Declaration of Independence versus
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Sarah Tate: Sure. So the Declaration of Independence, as I like to put it, is
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Sarah Tate: So that was the official treasonous act
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Sarah Tate: and then we fast forward a few years. We, the 1st form of government that we actually had was the Articles of Confederation.
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Sarah Tate: And so then the Us. Constitution was in 1787 is when it was signed, and it initially was just the 1st 7 Articles. There was not a Bill of Rights yet. The Bill of Rights is the 1st 10 amendments to the Us. Constitution.
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Sarah Tate: but the Constitution is what set up our form of government. So the Constitution lays out. This is what Congress does, and this is what the judicial court systems do. And this is what the President does, and it specifically lists
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Sarah Tate: all of those powers that each branch is supposed to do along with how many votes you need to pass a law, how the Constitution is passed, how it can be. You know just each various job that our 3 branches of government is supposed to have.
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Sarah Tate: So the Declaration of Independence is how we got our freedom, and the Constitution is
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Mark Entrekin: I like what you say, that I saw that in one of your articles, and those those are the words that you use. I thought was so impressive.
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Mark Entrekin: What do you think about AI artificial intelligence, and and how it works? And I know we've already run into some problems with people using AI
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Sarah Tate: I do have thoughts on AI, I will actually say, I just started using Chat Gpt very recently, because a lot of my students in my class use AI to cheat, and I didn't know how to use AI before, and so I took it upon myself to learn, because then I would be better deciphering if my students were cheating or not. And so that is why I downloaded it, and it is
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Sarah Tate: pretty incredible the kinds of information that you can get so quickly. However, I also know firsthand, based on some of the questions that I've asked it. It is not always correct.
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Sarah Tate: because I think AI essentially just searches the Internet really quickly and pulls up various sources and can put together information for you. But that doesn't mean that the sources that the AI used is correct, and so I do think that it's a great tool to use. I've used it in some of my social media posts, and it saves me a lot of time, which is wonderful. But I don't think that I would ever use AI
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Sarah Tate: Anything I put on the Internet, I make sure, is 100% accurate. And AI, I don't
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Mark Entrekin: It doesn't. That's very true. As you're saying, it is a major tool. I use 5 different ais in mine, and
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Mark Entrekin: they give the boundaries of where that information comes from, and which helps in some ways. But as we use it.
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Mark Entrekin: could it also be helpful in understanding some things that are written.
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Sarah Tate: Absolutely. And I think that AI does a great job of taking information and making it digestible. So if you ask it a legal question. I mean, I wouldn't follow it as legal advice. I certainly would not do that, but it does, I think, help make things understandable, and you know, if you for your own information, if you just want to know about a certain subject, I think AI is a great tool for that.
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Mark Entrekin: You're very intelligent, very smart. Thank you for doing that. Also. It's something that I use again, as I mentioned, and my better half is having some neck problems. She had neck surgery before and some back problems. And so I use AI to to
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Mark Entrekin: and I think it opens up more things, so that, as you're saying, I talked to you as a professional, and say, Well, this is the thing that I'm hearing. What can I do here, or is this right, or is this wrong? But it gives us thoughts to come to you again as a very intelligent person and profession, and professional in law.
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Sarah Tate: I agree, and I also think that it's good, for you know there's, you see, in the news. I get very frustrated reading.
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Sarah Tate: and a lot of times. This comes from social media posts, but you'll see somebody has just read a headline, and then they make their own implications of what that means and that. And so then you get a headline that makes people mad. And it's the clickbait thing. And
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Sarah Tate: when you add context to a certain issue. That's not really what's going on. And I think that AI is a really great way to quickly add some context, so that you do have maybe not necessarily a very deep understanding, but a better understanding of any kind of issue that you're you're talking about.
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Sarah Tate: we'll look at definitions. And one of the things that we're trying to think about is, how can a certain definition be abused?
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Sarah Tate: And it's always what does every single little word mean? And what can somebody else think that it means? And so we see struggles all the time over various definitions. One that I just worked on recently is regarding the endangered Species Act. What does the word harm mean for purposes of, you know, hurting or the legal jargon word is taking an endangered species.
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Sarah Tate: And how does one definition impact? You know, a variety of scenarios that can play out by trying to follow a law?
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Mark Entrekin: It is so true, and that's it hurts us in many ways, but getting a little bit off the serious side, but
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Mark Entrekin: What kind of troubles are you having? What, what kind of troubles or things do you work with in in water law in Wyoming?
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Sarah Tate: Yeah. So I so where I do federal work? I actually my biggest clients that are struggling with water in Oregon.
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Sarah Tate: And that comes from, you know, water water is difficult, because
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Sarah Tate: So then, it's in a timeline order of priority, and if we have a drought or something like that, and we run out of water. It's those people who have the youngest claim who lose their water first.st
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Sarah Tate: And when you're in states that have big desert areas and big population. Meccas. We see a lot of times where in states like Nevada, where they're constantly trying to get more water for Las Vegas. And if you. If anybody knows anything about Nevada, you basically have Las Vegas and Reno, and then a whole bunch of very, very, very small towns.
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Sarah Tate: And so those cities have been trying to figure out ways to get water from the other parts of the State, and sometimes that's at the detriment of irrigation practices which are used to grow food. And so we see a lot of big struggles between urban areas and
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Sarah Tate: rural areas as far as who needs the water. More is it the city? And that's used for a variety of things, you know, drinking water, which is obviously very important, but it's also used for the fountains and golf courses and things of that nature versus somebody who's using it to maybe grow grass for cattle to eat, or they're using it for crops or things of that nature. And so now you have a really subjective
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Sarah Tate: question of what is the most important use of the water, and that's really what it boils down to is a very subjective question that's going to be very different from anybody that you ask. What is the most important use of water.
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Mark Entrekin: And I think, like you mentioned, sir, it also depends on that important use about where you live.
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Mark Entrekin: but yet they need water. They they need water to drink, and of course they're for their home.
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Sarah Tate: It really depends.
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Mark Entrekin: It's a lot it kind of does. I got. That was kind of a loaded question. But yeah, I'm sorry.
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Sarah Tate: Yeah, yeah, one of the things I tell my students because they ask me a lot of, you know questions about laws in the class that I teach in, and the answer is always, it depends because I don't. I don't think that you can play out a certain scenario without having specific facts in place.
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Sarah Tate: because there are times where junior water users are able to get. You know, more water. If you know, say, a senior water user, someone who has an older water right is misusing their water. And there's a bunch of legal terms like, you know, beneficial use.
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Sarah Tate: What is a beneficial use. And there's a lot of different parts of water law that play in together. And so it's really not possible to say how it plays out, because it's so vastly different, based on the specific fact scenario.
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Mark Entrekin: As sure that you explained it very well, because that it is tough and it does dots. Dots is what I work. I work in information technology. The dots on the screen depends on the situation, the dots. And I can see that how that happens. And as we were talking earlier.
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Sarah Tate: with that, you know, when it when it comes to water, water is based on State law, not Federal. And so not only do you have, you know, Federal laws that do impact water like the Clean Water Act, but you also have to navigate the water laws of each State, which, considering water, oftentimes passes through different states in a river that'll go through multiple states, and as it flows through or streams, or whatever flows through different states. You have to abide by that State's specific laws.
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Mark Entrekin: There's there's some difference in each one, and it's you you make up some very good points was getting closer. It's about 10 min to the top of the hour. Can I ask you, looking ahead, I love what you're doing. I love your constitutional cowgirl. I love the strength
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Sarah Tate: I would really like to figure out how to bridge the gap between rural and urban areas. I think, for
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Sarah Tate: there's something like I read a statistic that it was 24,000 adults in the United States which 24,000 out of the entire Us. Population is not very much.
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Sarah Tate: and out of the entire population of the United States is not very much, but that still seems like way too many to think that chocolate milk comes from brown cows, and I think that it's because there is such a big divide between
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Sarah Tate: somebody who can just go get their food from the grocery store, which is a blessing, right. It's incredible that we live in a country where food is so readily available. But I also think that when we're talking about policies and regulations and things that need to be changed, where you have much higher populations voting from an urban perspective versus a rural perspective. A lot of times. Agriculturalists, farmers, and ranchers
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Sarah Tate: You know, these groups of people, and everybody needs agriculture because everybody needs to eat every day. And so I would really love to be able to use my platforms to bridge the gap and to help educate people who didn't have the privilege of growing up and ranching like I did, and help them learn about what we do and why we do it, so that they know where their food comes from.
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Mark Entrekin: I think that's a great idea, and how much of that falls to our educational system.
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Sarah Tate: I would venture to say, quite a bit. I know there was an agriculture program in the High school that I went to in Wyoming. But I think a lot of schools
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Sarah Tate: Absolutely. And if we were to have, you know, some big national disaster, knowing at least the base of how you get food, you know, so that you can survive, I think would be really, really important. And again, just from a I think that we're in a
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Sarah Tate: so I think that. And and there's also a really big movement right now, for like, Know your farmer? You know know where the food came from. People are very.
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Sarah Tate: and I think that that is one way that we will be able to help people understand what it is that we do and why it's important to think about agriculture when you're voting for various politicians, or, you know, regulations or ballot initiatives, or whatever. Why you should be thinking about agriculture is because you need it, too. And we're just trying to feed the world.
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Mark Entrekin: That's that's exactly right. And I think you said a lot right there that
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Mark Entrekin: But for our listeners, the people who want to know more.
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Mark Entrekin: they want to learn more, and perhaps even maybe get involved in some of the things that you're talking about?
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Mark Entrekin: Where's the best place for them to connect with you and and your work? And how can they participate.
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Sarah Tate: Absolutely probably the most reliable way for me to get in touch with me through your phone would be my Linkedin profile. I regularly check the messages that I have on there. And so that's a great place to just get in touch with me. I kind of tailor my social media platforms a little bit differently. I have a lot of funny, you know, ranching and agriculture videos on my Tiktok, if anybody wants, you know, if anybody just wants to laugh.
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Sarah Tate: but I am on all the major social media platforms. Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin Tiktok. I have an ex account. It's not very active, but all under my name, Sarah Fallon Tate. You can certainly get a hold of me through any of those platforms.
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Mark Entrekin: So this has been, of course, incredibly insightful to wrap things up.
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Sarah Tate: I would say, get a pocket constitution and read it.
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Sarah Tate: If you have not read the Us. Constitution and all of the amendments, there's 27 amendments, but specifically the Bill of Rights, which is the 1st 10 amendments. I would start by reading those because you cannot enforce your rights. If you do not know what your rights are, and the Constitution was written, not to give us rights, but to protect our rights from the government.
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Sarah Tate: and I think that is such a very important point that our rights don't come from the government. I'm a Christian, so I believe our rights come from God, but we have inherent rights. They don't come from the government, so the government cannot take them away.
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Sarah Tate: But if you do not know what those rights are, you cannot stop them from taking them away. So an action item, please go. Read the Us. Constitution.
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Mark Entrekin: What a great idea!
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Sarah Tate: Get in touch with me, and I will gladly answer any of them.
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Mark Entrekin: Sure. Thank you so much, Sarah, Alan Tate. And again, thank you so much for joining us today, because
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Mark Entrekin: I understand that. So by making these vital documents more accessible
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Mark Entrekin: that when we open that door to communication to unity all of us through the Church.
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Mark Entrekin: I just so appreciate what you're doing because you
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Mark Entrekin: There's self-awareness, resilience, and that willingness to grow from failure. So I appreciate it so much. Thank you again.
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Mark Entrekin: Anyone. If you felt a spark from what she says, what Sarah brought us today, what I'm sharing with you. Please follow
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Mark Entrekin: Sheriff Ellen Tay. Look her up.
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Mark Entrekin: Sharon. Sarah, thank you so much what you're doing. Thank you for being here. I appreciate you
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Sarah Tate: I just want to say, thank you for having me. I have a very strong passion for all of the things that we talked about today, and so I always appreciate being asked to come and speak about them more. So thank you. Thank you so much for what you do, and for having me.
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Mark Entrekin: Thank you. It's a pleasure, and I hope your son has one of those little constitution books in his pocket as well. So awesome.
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Mark Entrekin: So thank you again, Sarah. Until next time, everyone, let us continue turning chaos into connection.
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Mark Entrekin: Let us keep achieving unity. You can reach me, of [email protected]. Dot com
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Mark Entrekin: call me 3. 0, 3. Focused (303) 362-8733, because we can stay focused on turning chaos into connection, as we're achieving unity by harnessing the power. And it is a true power
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Mark Entrekin: of encouraging, inspiring, and including others, building better businesses.
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Mark Entrekin: Life is what we make it. So let's make it awesome together in unity.
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Mark Entrekin: Thank you all. Thank you. And that's Sarah Fallon. Tate. Please look her up on the web. She's on social media. Thank you so much for your service, your time and your commitment.
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Mark Entrekin: Hope to see you again, I hope we continue talking to stay connected. Sarah. Let's see how we can do hope to publish your report, this podcast. On all of our holidays.
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Mark Entrekin: So we will keep contacting you and everything that you do, and that you work work towards so so well
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Mark Entrekin: again. Hope to see you all again next week. Till then cheers.
