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Mark Entrekin: Hello, and welcome back to another inspiring episode of the Achieving Unity Success Formula weekly podcast.
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Mark Entrekin: Where we turn chaos into connection and purpose into action.
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Mark Entrekin: I am your host, Mark Intrican, founder of the Achieving Unity Success Formula, dedicated to improving lives by encouraging, inspiring, and including others.
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Mark Entrekin: Today, we welcome Michael Davis, a communication coach and speaker mentor who helps leaders, sales professionals, and speakers become unforgettable communicators. I need his help. We all need his help. Communication.
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Mark Entrekin: Collaboration are the keys that open our doors to success.
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Mark Entrekin: Michael brings a compelling message on the power of communication, your most valuable asset for leading, influencing, and inspiring action.
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Mark Entrekin: But first, before we dive into this insightful discussion, let me quickly introduce my company, Reality Focused Dynamics, where it all started. You'll see on the first screen, that's my
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Mark Entrekin: Achieving Unity Guide, and please, get a copy of it. If you see on the bottom left, you'll have a
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Mark Entrekin: QR code.
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Mark Entrekin: It's a chance for you to see what it is with the Achieving Unity Guide, and what we can do to work together in all the things that we do.
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Mark Entrekin: How the Achieving Unity works with ending things like hate, or disconnection, or anger, or frustration.
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Mark Entrekin: or prejudice, or that prejudging, gives a great overview of the whole process. So please get a copy of it. Let me know what your feedback is. But go to the QR code, sign on, let me know what you think. I want to hear from you.
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Mark Entrekin: Let's refer each other.
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Mark Entrekin: How can I help you grow forward?
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Mark Entrekin: In ending all the people and the times we'd spend finding wrong, when we could be finding what's right and making life a better place, personally and professionally.
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Mark Entrekin: This is our Achieving Unity Success Formula. It is podcast number 54, and you believe it's so exciting. And again, this is a weekly podcast. Come every week. Put it on your calendar.
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Mark Entrekin: Making sure you're coming in, see it every week. We want to see from you, want to hear from you. 1PM Pacific time, 4 p.m. Eastern Time, come back. Let us know what you think. Always looking for feedback. You always get in touch with me at www.markintrikin.com forward slash contact.
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Mark Entrekin: Love to hear from you.
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Mark Entrekin: The reality-focused dynamics. What is it all about?
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Mark Entrekin: Well, as you can see on the slide, it truly reflects the core of what we do, and how we stand firm.
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Mark Entrekin: Notice how focused sits right in the middle?
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Mark Entrekin: It sits right at the core of what we do. That is because everything that we explore, everything we share, everything that we build on, is about reality-focused dynamics.
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Mark Entrekin: Driving us to success-focused solutions. It centers around clear, intentional direction.
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Mark Entrekin: In fact, the concept of being focused is so core to us that it is even reflected, as you can see the bottom left of my screen, in our phone number.
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Mark Entrekin: Our phone number is 303-362-8733, which spells 303-FOCUSED on your phone pad.
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Mark Entrekin: We believe that being truly focused
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Mark Entrekin: Focused on what matters, we can create meaningful change and achieve lasting unity.
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Mark Entrekin: What do we have? What's it come down to? What's our bottom line?
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Mark Entrekin: What we have is proven, compassionate strategies that turn conflict into lasting harmony.
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Mark Entrekin: This includes at home.
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Mark Entrekin: At work, and in every relationship that matters.
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Mark Entrekin: Have you ever become frustrated by tension?
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Mark Entrekin: Frustrated by arguments? Our 7-Step Roadmap gives you the tools to move.
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Mark Entrekin: from conflict, To collaboration, quickly and confidently.
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Mark Entrekin: Are you craving stronger trust?
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Mark Entrekin: Stronger connection?
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Mark Entrekin: Discover communication tactics that build respect.
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Mark Entrekin: Repair relationships, and unify teams and families alike.
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Mark Entrekin: Transform conflict into connection.
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Mark Entrekin: Together.
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Mark Entrekin: achieving unity.
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Mark Entrekin: Unity inspires us in our homes.
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Mark Entrekin: It shapes society, the society around us.
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Mark Entrekin: It transforms our workplaces, as you've heard me mention, personally and professionally. This is what works. We help you turn frustration
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Mark Entrekin: into understanding.
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Mark Entrekin: Have you ever heard somebody say, what the frustration? Okay, they may not use the word frustration, and I won't use any other words on this show.
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Mark Entrekin: But we can find values in our actions instead of acting in that anger.
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Mark Entrekin: Or that frustration. Does it come across… yes, it comes across to me, too. But what we do is we learn how to handle it.
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Mark Entrekin: We show that anger holds no value.
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Mark Entrekin: Anger. A-N-G-E-R is just actions, not gaining effective results, right? Anger. A-N-G-E-R. Actions, not gaining effective results. Have you ever been impressed by someone who had anger?
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Mark Entrekin: I hope not.
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Mark Entrekin: We know that life happens.
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Mark Entrekin: It happens in every relationship.
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Mark Entrekin: From personal to professional.
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Mark Entrekin: From parenting time, from being a parent, to partnerships, It occurs in a boardroom.
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Mark Entrekin: To the bedroom, and every room in between.
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Mark Entrekin: We show you how to embrace those challenges and encourage a more inspired and inclusive future. Call that the EII framework. If you go out to our website, arcentricon.com forward slash
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Mark Entrekin: blog, you'll see the articles I have out there that talk about EII.
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Mark Entrekin: About encouraging, inspiring, and including others.
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Mark Entrekin: We have one vision.
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Mark Entrekin: one goal. That's achieving unity in every area of life. We can't do it alone. Don't let anyone else expect you to do that.
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Mark Entrekin: So what is our call to action?
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Mark Entrekin: First off, let's ditch the drama.
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Mark Entrekin: How much drama do you see in the day? We know how much it is on the television.
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Mark Entrekin: But we will show you how to get stuff done.
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Mark Entrekin: How to turn your life.
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Mark Entrekin: From what may seem sometimes like a dumpster fire into a well-oiled machine.
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Mark Entrekin: Don't let others control your feelings.
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Mark Entrekin: Achieving unity, that path to stronger relationships.
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Mark Entrekin: Inspired leadership and lasting change. Turning change into long-term improvement.
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Mark Entrekin: We have coaching, consulting, courses, keynote speeches.
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Mark Entrekin: Let us help you today. Contact us today. Reach me at several locations, several URLs. RealityFocustDynamics.com is one of them. Don't forget.
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Mark Entrekin: 303-362-8733 is 303-focused on your phone dial. Please, give us a call. I'm looking forward to talking with you.
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Mark Entrekin: Next podcast coming up? Today's is gonna be awesome. We're gonna learn today so much about storytelling. But next week, Wendy Bond's gonna join us. She's gonna talk to us about heart-centered coaching. That'll be on October 1st.
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Mark Entrekin: On October 8th, we're gonna have Dr. Yin come in, talk to us about food impacts on our attitudes and our behaviors. Yes, what we eat and what we don't eat can impact us in many ways.
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Mark Entrekin: After that, Timothy's students would come in.
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Mark Entrekin: Helping moms and dads raise brilliant, healthy, happy, and empowered children. Yes, your children, my children, and they still will be great kids.
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Mark Entrekin: They will be brilliant, healthy, happy, and empowered to do what's right.
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Mark Entrekin: The following week, October 22nd, Bear Pascoe. He'll come talk to us about nothing more caring or masculine than parenting your child or children.
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Mark Entrekin: How many times in the past?
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Mark Entrekin: Our learning, our culture. Oh, that's the mom's job. No, it's not.
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Mark Entrekin: The best parent is both parents. Grandparents, too. So there's nothing more caring or masculine than parenting your child or children. Come listen to Bear. He'll be here on October 23rd. I'm sorry, 22nd.
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Mark Entrekin: Then after that, Dr. Sherry Rosenthal, a retreat strategist. She's going to talk to us about the retreats that are out there, but how we can build a retreat to help explain and share our feelings, our knowledge. Do you have a point? Do you have a program, like we do?
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Mark Entrekin: Build a retreat. Bring people to it. Help share that message with everyone. So again, we are weekly. Please come back and talk to us. We're here for you.
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Mark Entrekin: All of October?
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Mark Entrekin: Looking forward to seeing you each and every week.
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Mark Entrekin: Thank you.
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Mark Entrekin: And today, I'm very excited about today's podcast, because so many times we can't get our information across.
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Mark Entrekin: Because we're not adding stories to what we talk about.
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Mark Entrekin: So today, we're going to talk to Michael Davis about the Storytelling Power Trio.
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Mark Entrekin: Michael Davis is a speaker.
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Mark Entrekin: storytelling coach, and communications expert dedicated to helping leaders, professionals, and entrepreneurs master high-impact communication. Communication is key.
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Mark Entrekin: With his years of experience working with world-class mentors and guiding clients across industries, Michael empowers people to move past fear.
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Mark Entrekin: Speak with confidence.
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Mark Entrekin: inspire lasting change. Through coaching, workshops, and keynotes, Michael equips audiences with proven frameworks to build trust.
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Mark Entrekin: Deliver value, and connect authentically.
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Mark Entrekin: Michael's work also demonstrates that communication isn't a soft skill, like we talk about with achieving unity. It's not a soft skill.
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Mark Entrekin: But the most powerful asset… communication he talks about is the most powerful asset for leadership, sales, and brand growth.
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Mark Entrekin: Michael's mission is to help people lead with clarity.
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Mark Entrekin: Influence with integrity, and create real results through unforgettable communication. Please contact Michael. You see his YouTube?
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Mark Entrekin: site on the bottom right, about youtube.com, Speaking CPR Michael Davis. Check him out on the web. Again, for today, please help me welcome Michael Davis.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Thank you very much, Mark, and congratulations to you! 54 episodes means you got past the first year.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: The learning, and all the mistakes, and yeah, congratulations, because most podcasts never make it this far.
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Mark Entrekin: Thank you so much, and that is true, and as…
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Mark Entrekin: We hear so often because it is true. It's the team.
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Mark Entrekin: And Renee, my VA virtual assistant, VA, is tremendous. She helps me keep this going. She's on early, helps us get the ball rolling, and keep what you bring forward so clear, and that's communication.
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Mark Entrekin: to help us work it through. Let's get into here. As you mentioned, it's not easy.
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Mark Entrekin: Putting it together is what it's all about.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: You couldn't do this without Renee.
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Mark Entrekin: I couldn't. That's very true. She is my right hand in so many ways, so…
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: So, yeah, good to be here, I always love talking storytelling.
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Mark Entrekin: Thank you, Michael, because that's one thing I want to talk to you about.
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Mark Entrekin: I'm so glad you're here, but before we dive into storytelling.
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Mark Entrekin: Can you share a little bit about what first drew you to helping people communicate better? Tell us about yourself, and how you…
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Mark Entrekin: Started off in this path.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Started off in 1994 as a young financial advisor, Mark, and the reason I ended up here is because I was a lousy communicator.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: I'm sitting in my boss's office on an October afternoon.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: And, he said, you know, you're doing a lousy job of getting us new clients. I'm a financial planner, and he said,
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: I'm gonna have you start doing retirement planning workshops to get some new clients in here.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: And I thought, oh, no, I can't do that.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: What my boss didn't know was that when I was a kid, I was 6 years old, I was humiliated by my first grade teacher so badly, I said, I'll never stand in front of people again.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: And until that day in his office, I didn't.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: But now I had a new fear I had to deal with. The scales of justice. Am I more afraid of losing my job or standing in front of people? So I went out and I did the workshops.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Six weeks later, I'm back in his office, and he said, I don't believe this! You've given 3 workshops!
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: And not one new client!
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: You really suck at this!
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Fix this, or you're finished.
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Mark Entrekin: I'm desperate.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: I've got to find some… and I go… I find this public speaking organization, and I went there just to save my job. Turns out, 31 years later, I'm still part of that organization.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: I'm part of the National Speakers Association, I've built my own business, and it was all started because I didn't know how to effectively communicate through absolute fear and intimidation.
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Mark Entrekin: That's a great point you're making there, Michael, too, because you're going, theoretically, from the bottom. I mean, you're starting from ground zero.
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Mark Entrekin: But you stepped out.
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Mark Entrekin: You're speaking, which is a fear for a lot of people.
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Mark Entrekin: And open up… How many doors?
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Mark Entrekin: How large a door?
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Mark Entrekin: Have you built? I said, you have your own business now, all by stepping… stepping out.
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Mark Entrekin: Reaching out to others, and communicating well.
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Mark Entrekin: Tell us more.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Yeah, it started… and I stayed in the financial business for 29 years, but along the way, I discovered that public speaking is a skill that we are innately fearful of, and this can't be proven.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Specifically, but there's a theory that this goes back to our earliest ancestors.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: When we were living in small tribes.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: The person who stood out from the crowd brought danger to the tribe.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: So we were con… we were persuaded not to stand out from the crowd, because that could be dangerous for everyone.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: So, some people speculate it's in our DNA, right? We don't stand out, but society's evolved, and different people did stand out, fortunately, and became leaders.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: So, it's not unusual to be nervous about speaking. In fact, I like nerves. I tell all my clients, when you're not nervous, I'm worried, because you're not emotionally engaged and involved.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: It's okay that… just don't let it…
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: shut you down. Don't let it control you. There are various techniques you can use, breathing and physical exercise before you go on, to manage that and use that energy to share that with your audience.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: So, that's… I started to learn issues like that. Number one is just… it's okay to be nervous when you speak. Number two, there is no such thing as a natural-born speaker.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Even though you will hear some people who give you the impression they were born to speak.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Those types of insights helped, and then along the way, you mentioned doors. Sometimes you're lucky in life, you meet the right people, but you have to take advantage of those opportunities. And along the way, I have met some people who became mentors to me, who opened other doors, and other doors and other doors.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: To where now, I have access to a lot of the best speakers in the world.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: as mentors and friends, business leaders, I've worked with Hollywood scriptwriting consultants from a storytelling standpoint. One of my friends and colleagues now was a showrunner for the Martha Stewart and Snoop Dogg show. He was a head writer for Arsenio Hall.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: That just came by meeting people and being willing to step through that door when that opportunity came.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: And they've all given me this unique perspective on storytelling.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: And I discovered along the way, I had this hunger, and I just love stories. I mean, this became a calling. I knew back in 2011,
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: that I sh- I needed to be doing this.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Coaching and teaching people presentation skills and storytelling.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: And I put a 3-year plan in place to leave the financial business and do this full-time. And 7 years later, I did!
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Which just goes to show, you can lay a plan out, go after it, but life will interfere, but I just stuck with it.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: And…
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: this is my calling, this is what I'm supposed to be doing, helping people get their stories into the world, to understand the power they have.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: And to help them increase their influence and impact.
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Mark Entrekin: That's beautiful. What you're talking about, Michael, is so strong in doing that. And as you mentioned.
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Mark Entrekin: Taking that plan, and yes, too many times, plans take us much longer than we want them to.
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Mark Entrekin: And the plan we have many times, and I think as you just mentioned, is interrupted by light. Things do come about that
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Mark Entrekin: Take some extra massaging in the process.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: But as we know, if you don't build a plan.
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Mark Entrekin: Doesn't everything fit in?
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Well, what happens if a bridge goes out? Do I keep going over I-75 and go into the ravine and kill myself? Not a good strategy.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: If you know where I'm going, just go find other roads, and that's what happens when we hit these obstacles.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Look, I don't know what the alternate universe is if I had made that in 3 years instead of 7, but I feel like I'm better off for the journey because I had to overcome those obstacles that I didn't anticipate.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: As is you, and everybody watch. If you're watching this, those obstacles can be a benefit if you're willing to embrace them and see how it helped make you stronger and better.
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Mark Entrekin: Well, that's so true, and I like what you… what you're saying, and again, telling stories.
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Mark Entrekin: What would that be? When you were building in this, where did storytelling come into your process? Into the answer, so to speak?
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Well, it's when I discovered through many of these mentors I had that storytelling goes back to our earliest ancestors. In fact, sociologists, some now believe
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: We were telling stories before we had verbal language.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Through grunts and actions and body movements, that's how our ancestors related the events of the day.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: And of course, that eventually became cave drawings.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: even before we could speak, is what some people believe. And there is a saying that storytelling is in our DNA.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: And two-thirds of our communication is some form of story. Now, there are some good stories, and there are some that aren't. When I talk storytelling in business, or for professional speakers, there is a framework, a structure that we use that ties into how the human brain best likes to consume stories.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: It's not theory, it's been researched now for a couple of decades. And there are certain key points and stories as you go along where
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: when the brain hears that, it's like, okay, I want more, I want more, I want more.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: That is a key factor, is understanding how your audience's brain loves to consume narrative.
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Mark Entrekin: It does, and I can hear just from you talking about it in the process, because stories aren't just for the stage.
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Mark Entrekin: It sounds like we can see them also shaping our everyday conversations.
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Mark Entrekin: our family, and our coworkers. That communication, as you're talking about, the more we're able to use the storytelling.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Oh, absolutely. And the best storytellers, when they share their narrative, their story becomes the audience's story.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: And if there are stories you've heard that stuck with you and resonated, and you still think about, it's because it tapped into something in your life.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Like, when I was thinking.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: You know, when I was 6 years old.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: I don't remember how bad they were, but my friends and I were laughing and having a good time.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: She takes one look at me and says, well, since you love standing on your desk so much, at nap time today, you get to stand on your desk again.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: And everybody can look at you.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: So she made me stand on that desk for 40 minutes.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Kids were looking up, and, you know, all the things kids do.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: She didn't have to do anything but make me stand out in an embarrassing way, and that scarred me.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: well, actually longer, because I dealt with it, because I had to save my job, but it took me years in my speech train to understand that story and what it had done to me.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Now, here's the thing about that. I'm not the only person to ever be embarrassed
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: as a child. We all have. The details may not be the same, but if you're listening to this, chances are I tapped into something that happened to you, where you're like, yeah, I've been there, and it had a negative impact on you.
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Mark Entrekin: But a story like that, to touch on situations whether there's others like you that had to stand up.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Absolutely.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: I was at a TEDx event this past weekend for one of my clients who was speaking, and one of the other speakers, I just loved her talk.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Dr. Shreya, she talked about storytelling. She's a psychologist.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: She talked about… What she labeled the stumble story.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Society's teaching kids it's all about success, and getting the gold, and the money, and the likes, and all this, and this is why we're having a mental health crisis.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: failures we have, which I'm not even a believer in the word failure at this point. It's just that I didn't achieve the goal I wanted, but I learned this, and it was a step to the success I eventually got. That's how I frame failure.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: But it's… it's the commonality of those, specific incidents that connects us.
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Mark Entrekin: And that doesn't connect… it can connect with so many people, but just because of that.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Well, it does tap into the brain. This is where brain research comes in. There are parts of the brain… I call it the storytelling codes. C is cortisol, O is oxytocin, D is dopamine, E is endorphins, and S is,
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: I just added S, that's why I keep forgetting, but all those neurochemicals get released when we hear sensory-rich and emotional stories.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: An emotion is activated by conflict.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: And it's… it sounds like, here was this person, and they did this, and they did that. It was just a series of ideas, like a report connected by the word AND,
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: there's no emotional connection. It's a report. You could put it on a PDF and send it to me.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: However, when you introduce one word into your story, it changes everything, and it sends the story down an emotional path, and the word is but.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: But… or variation. Yet, however, on the other hand. But that word, but, is the most powerful narrative word.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Now, when I share this in workshops and on podcasts, people invariably say, Michael, didn't you get the memo? The word butt is terrible for conversation? Because it shuts down everything you heard before? Absolutely. In day-to-day conversation.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: I always like to say, If I go upstairs.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: to my partner after this interview, and I say, oh, honey, look at you. As always, your hair is gorgeous.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: But… Is she gonna hear anything else I say?
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: It's the exact opposite of storytelling. It snaps the brain into, oh, something just happened.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: We just had a change. And the brain loves conflict. It loves to hear that. Now, we have to resolve it eventually.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: So we need that conflict in stories, but when we have it, that's what engages people, and that's what reports never do.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Business leaders standing here saying, you see in third quarter, we got 32% increase, and we're down in this market, we're up…
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Mark Entrekin: In the majority of your speeches, when you're talking to people.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Yeah, the desk story, you know, I talk about being at my boss's office, that's an anchor story.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: The new one that I've told on many podcasts now, and it's in my new book that's coming out, it is an anchor to my keynotes.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: And just a quick backstory, when I was… I was born in France.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: My parents immigrated to the States when I was a baby, and when I was 2, my father left us. Never to be seen again.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: And I don't share that for… I don't share that for empathy… for sympathy. Actually, he did me a favor, because the dad I ended up with when mom got remarried couldn't ask for a better dad. He's the best dad in the world.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: But I share that because years later, last year, my son says, why do you think your dad, your father, left when you were a little boy?
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: And Mark, without thinking, I said, I don't know, I guess he just didn't think I was worth sticking around for.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: That's the answer!
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: That's the answer I've been looking for my entire adult life. See, my entire adult life, I've been working since I was a teenager.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: And I would go down into this pit, and I would have to go back up. Didn't matter what career I was in, financially, it was just like this repeating rollercoaster, over and over. Same peak, same trough.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: But when I said that phrase, I guess he didn't think I was worth sticking around for.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: It was like the missing puzzle piece of my life got snapped into place, and my entire life made sense to me.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: I had history of… I used to brag when I was in my 20s.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: as a 20-something man, I thought, you know, big me, big man, macho, male, ego, whatever.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: I now see that there was nothing to be proud of, because what I was doing is I was leaving relationships, because that invisible… that…
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Unconscious voice was saying, you're not worth sticking around for, they're gonna leave eventually, so why don't you do it first?
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: In business, I often would not make the phone calls when I was close to that big breakthrough.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Because the voice was telling me, they're not gonna do business with you, or if they do, they're gonna leave, you're not worth sticking around for.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: That moment of clarity, Mark, was so powerful for me. Now, I didn't…
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: I didn't change overnight. I had to figure, what do I do with this inside? And I have this exercise that I put,
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: It's actually in the book, is write down, I call it the doubt versus evidence.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: So in my case, you're not worth sticking around for.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: What's the evidence that's counter to that?
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: I listed everybody in my life who I still have a relationship with, It got into the hundreds.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: So what I visually looked at, here's this story, here's the evidence against it.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: If I was in a trial, it would be like, we need to declare a mistrial, the evidence here is overwhelming, that that story is wrong.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: And I started to see it in a new light. I am worth sticking around for it, and I have all the evidence.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: I don't think it's a coincidence that I, as of June this year, I already had my best year ever.
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Mark Entrekin: Congratulations.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: freed me up. Now, it's not a monetary thing.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: It's just, I'm different. People see it, because I no longer believe that hidden story that's back there whispering. It's like, you need to go. You no longer belong here.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: I'm not special. Every one of us is carrying a story like that, and once you become aware of it, and you can start to rewrite the story.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: that's huge. Makes all the difference. And it's… that's where the story Power Trio comes along. That insight inspired this concept that…
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Telling stories is important. It's how we connect, but it's the least important of the three stories we need to know if we're going to be master communicators. The first, by far, the most important, is the identity story. What story are you telling yourself?
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: I want them to understand what it is so they can take away its power and rewrite it.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: That's the first story. The second is what I call the perspective story, which is, what is the story your listeners or audience is telling themselves?
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: It could be anybody.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: your friends, any communication situation you're walking into. It's a lot like this.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: We, we're all like a 500-channel streaming service, right? We've got all these stories playing in our head all the time.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: So when we go into a communication situation, if we don't get locked in on what they're thinking about.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: We can tell the best story in the world, but it may miss them because they're thinking about something else.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: And how do we do that? We become better at asking questions.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: I think that's great, the ability to ask the questions.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: It's the ability to ask the questions and not just accept the surface question.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Yes. What I do for a living. People come to me and say, well, I've been told I need to be a better storyteller and a speaker, and I need to be… I need a coach.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: That's not why they need a coach. So I have to start digging. So what is it about story time? Tell me, why do you need to tell stories? And they tell me about their business. Okay. Say I'm working with a salesperson. Well, I just haven't been selling a lot lately. Okay, let's talk about that. What's the reason you're not selling?
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: go deeper, go deeper. And eventually it comes down to, well, I'm having a lot of problem in my marriage, or somebody in my family's sick, problem with… when I find the core problem, this isn't about hiring a speech coach, about
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Getting clear on the story that's inside of you first, so that you can then build a valuable story to share with others.
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Mark Entrekin: That's beautiful.
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Mark Entrekin: Because if we can't talk to… if we can't share that story.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Absolutely.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: And it's like what you talk… what you work in, Mark, it's… it's… if we're gonna connect with others, if we're gonna get rid of the hostility, or at least take the temperature down several degrees.
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Mark Entrekin: I think that's so true right there, is understanding. But so much in our communication.
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Mark Entrekin: We assume a lot, and the terminology, the terms we use, the words that we use, sometimes…
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Mark Entrekin: But yet, we're expecting the person that we're talking with, telling our stories to, having the communication with, to understand them when we're not even sure of them ourselves.
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Mark Entrekin: We need to make sure that we understand and explain.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Absolutely.
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Mark Entrekin: I think some of the things I'm picking up from what you're saying today, too, Is what happens…
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Mark Entrekin: Do you see that sometimes, too?
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Oh, I see it all the time, especially in the corporate world. It's jargon, it's technology, it's all these verbs and verbiage that people use, and I'll sit there and say.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: And then I have to get clarity. Now, sometimes it's okay to go into jargon and technical language if your audience is 100% people who do what you do. That almost never happens.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: I tell all my clients, you've got to address the person in the room who doesn't know your world, because they're out there.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Even if they're the CEO, especially if they're the CEO or the CFO, they're not in these departments every day. Give them big picture language. You're not dumbing it down, you're making it clear.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: It's the curse of knowledge. I know this so well, I forget that you don't, so I start talking in phrases that you don't understand. That, or it's a self-esteem issue, and I'm trying to impress you.
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Mark Entrekin: And then, what are they going to be impressed with? That's sometimes the things like anger. We think anger's accomplishing something, we think we're macho, we think that, wow, I'm angry, I'm angry, I'm showing anger, I'm somebody, when…
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Well, as you know, it's not.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: People are going to defense mode, and you get the parasympathetic, or the sympathetic statement going… part of the body going up, temperatures rise, nobody hears anybody.
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Mark Entrekin: That's so true. And when, at the end of the day, and I'm past the next person.
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Mark Entrekin: What did he say? What did she say?
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Mark Entrekin: Bad point. What was her name again? What was his name again? Yeah. Bad about that at that time.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Don't remember.
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Mark Entrekin: But I noticed they were.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: were mad, and that's all I.
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Mark Entrekin: I remember, right?
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: And that stressed me out, so it wasn't a good engagement, so…
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Mark Entrekin: it was not a good engagement. But let's go back to what I've picked up is called the Storytelling Power Trio, Storytelling Trio that you work with
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Mark Entrekin: Can you paint for us?
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Mark Entrekin: Speaking of understanding, can you paint for us, Michael, a picture of how that trio works in real life?
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Mark Entrekin: Like a meeting, or even maybe family dinner, or maybe with a couple. Is there an example you could kind of share with us?
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Yeah, absolutely, and I did mention the first two, and the third is the story you actually go there to share, the message, so how it works in everyday situations.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: I'll give you an example when I was a young advisor.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: And I would ask the questions that they put into the presentation, but I wasn't listening to the answers.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: So what happened was, I was talking at them, and I'm embarrassed to say this, Mark, after two and a half, three hours, the meeting would end.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: If you can't say it in 20 minutes, you're not saying it in two and a half hours.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: That's a long time. Yeah.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: And here's what I understand now about what I was going through. Not only poor training, but I had a low self-esteem, and I did not have confidence.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: So, the story I told myself, which is that first identity story, is you've got to prove yourself to them with knowledge.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Drop knowledge on them, and they'll want to do business with you.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Number two, I wasn't getting their perspective, because I wasn't asking questions, or if I did, I wasn't listening to the answers.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: And then number 3 was, if I did tell stories, which I really did then, it was an accident. So, effectively doing that as an advisor, as a coach.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Go in knowing what that story is you're telling yourself, and if it's a dinner with your…
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Best friends coming over. What's your attitude about them coming over?
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: What's your attitude about what's going on in your life? Are you tuned in to your channels? And are you focused on the event or some other issue? So we've got to be aware of what's going on in our own heads first.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Secondly, do we know what state of mind of your people is? One of the best examples I've heard is when companies get taken over.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: And new leadership comes in, and they start talking about metrics, and all of these issues, and why this is going to be a better situation, but the people in the audience are thinking, yeah, my best friend got fired when we had the last buyout, I guess my job's on the line now.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: And the leaders who don't address that, they're creating animosity.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Because they're sending the message, I really don't care what you think.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: But it's those who go in with their teams, their leadership teams, their employees, and they go in and say, what's going on with you?
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: What are your daily struggles? It's just those quick questions of what's going on with the family? How's the kids? I know you had a new baby.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Getting to understand where people's minds and hearts are.
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Mark Entrekin: And Michael, what I'm hearing you say, too, is it's sometimes good to come up and Ask?
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Mark Entrekin: how is your family? Do you have kids? Because some people don't even know how to take it to that next level.
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Mark Entrekin: How are things going? How are your kids? How's family?
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Mark Entrekin: Their living situation, How are things going for you? So the people, our friends, our neighbors, our acquaintances.
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Mark Entrekin: Right?
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Well, absolutely, and it's just listening to what people say. A lot of times when I work with salespeople, they want scripted questions. I'm like, don't do that.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Because you sound robotic and you're not listening.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: like, let's just take the example of you and I talking today. When you said 54 years, and I'm a numbers guy. Even though I don't like details, I think in numbers, I thought, wow, that's really cool, you've been doing this for a year.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: I'm gonna…
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Mark Entrekin: Just celebrating.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: I'm gonna say something, because that's a great accomplishment.
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Mark Entrekin: Thank you.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Just listen to those details. People are telling you all day long what you need to ask the next question.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: But you gotta be interested.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: And you've got to listen, and not think, okay, what's the next question? Well, as soon as Mark opens up, man, I'm coming in hot, I'm gonna talk about storytelling, because that's what I do. That's not effective.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: And we… Well, we would.
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Mark Entrekin: Go ahead.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: No, I was gonna say, you said something really important earlier, we shortcut the conversations, especially with those we're closest to.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: our life partners… I've been with my partner Linda for 15 years now, and when we talk, I have to slow myself down and say, don't assume you know what she means, get clarity.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Don't always do it.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Right? We never did when we're in a relationship, but in business, we tend to be better at it if we slow the process down.
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Mark Entrekin: Well, that's actually… I'm with you 100%, Michael, that is so true, and that ability, because I know with my love of my life, sometimes it's tough, and we get into situations, it's hard to think through.
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Mark Entrekin: All things we want to talk about. And go ahead and ask those questions that we know we should ask.
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Mark Entrekin: or understand, or clarify, but we let it go. We…
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Mark Entrekin: Something else is coming up. Maybe we're looking to respond more than we are of listening and sharing?
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: That ability…
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Mark Entrekin: From both sides. Being able to ask the other person for the same thing.
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Mark Entrekin: So if you don't mind, go back through your power trio, if you would.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Absolutely.
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Mark Entrekin: Storytime Power Trio. What are those again, and help us understand, on a layperson's terms, how we can put that together.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Yeah, the identity story is the first story. That's the story we tell ourselves.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Now, you could be telling yourself a lot of stories, I get it, but when you're in a communication situation, what are you telling yourself if it's a sales call?
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Mark Entrekin: If you're talking to your team, if you're standing up in front of a group, what's going through your head?
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Typically, it's not positive.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Oh…
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: This happened this past weekend, I got a TEDx speaker, she's fabulous, she's a gold star mom talking about how she dealt with grief, and this story is phenomenal. But her… she had this negative self-talk.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: She started saying to herself 10 minutes before the event, oh, I hope I don't screw this up, and we had to sit down with her and say, - let's get you re-centered. What should you be focused on? It should be focused on the other person.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: So, be aware of what you're saying to yourself, and more importantly.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: away from the high-stakes moments of those presentations, just sit down and think, what do I typically say to myself?
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: when I'm going into those. What's the story?
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Again, it's typically negative.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Hope I don't mess it up.
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Mark Entrekin: It's too often negative.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Yeah, it's real simple language, don't screw this up. Am I the right person? I call this also the terrible twos, right? I'm to fill in the blank.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: I'm too old, I'm too young, I'm too male, I'm too female, I'm too… fill it in! We all do it!
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: doesn't mean you're gonna get rid of those questions, but being aware of them helps you reframe them. So that's the identity story.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Once you're clear on that, then focus on the other people, other person, What's going through their heads?
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: It's easier in a one-on-one, because you can ask direct questions.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: get a feel for where they are. I mean, the best speakers in the world step in front of an audience, and if there's an elephant in a room, they know walking in.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Don't wait until you start a presentation to find out, okay, the board of directors just got fired, and everybody is worried about their jobs. Not a good time to find that out.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: So, know what they're thinking, get them tuned in so they can be ready to hear your message.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: One-to-one, very easy. If you're a speaker listening to this, you just do your homework with the meeting planner, and right up to the last few minutes, is there anything I need to know that's changed since we started this event?
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: And sometimes it happens.
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Mark Entrekin: And asking those questions, as you're saying, is so important.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Oh, absolutely. One of my friends always starts, because he travels a lot, he typically starts his presentations with lines about the airport, because gosh knows, it's no fun to travel anymore. Well, he always asks these questions, what do I need to know?
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Turns out the board of directors of this company had been killed in a plane crash the week before.
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Mark Entrekin: Oh, wow.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: He did not go anywhere near airport.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: comments at all. That just would have not worked. And he would have shut the… the audience would have tuned him out, and he would not have known why.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: So that's an extreme.
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Mark Entrekin: It could have been the best speech, better stories ever, but…
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Absolutely.
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Mark Entrekin: that.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: And he is a fabulous storyteller, and they always land because he knows what he has to do.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: He knows that he has to find out what's going on, so he can adjust the stories of the speech to them. But we need to do it one-on-one, we need to do it in front of groups.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: And then the third story is actually the one you went there to give, to share with them, with the message and your own experience.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: I haven't heard any other speech coach talk about these three together.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: A lot of story coaches will help you with structure of story.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: There's some people who will work with you on getting your mindset right.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Others on asking questions, and I have a friend who's fabulous at helping people be curious and really activate the curiosity muscle.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: I haven't heard anybody talk about all three, and I think these are the three together that make us master communicators.
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Mark Entrekin: That's excellent. That's something we need to be thinking about when we're talking. I hope I can take what you're saying today and use it tomorrow.
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Mark Entrekin: So did we talk about that?
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Mark Entrekin: What about somebody who's… Shy. Maybe even unsure.
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Mark Entrekin: What's a simple way they could maybe start telling these stories a little bit better today?
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Well, I think it starts with that identity story. Okay, you're shy.
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Mark Entrekin: You're, unsure.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: I was a young financial advisor, that was me, I know, and…
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: what am I doing to try to overcome that? Well, my own experience was I bombarded people with information.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: That's not good, especially today. I can get more information on this device right here, this cell phone, than any speaker can ever give me. Sometimes the information's actually right.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: But,
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: just know that it's not about information. What people want from us, whether it's a selling situation or leadership, they want your perspective.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: What have you gone through?
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: That might help me overcome a problem.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: The writer Steven Pressfield says, if you could just move the human race one millimeter further down the road, you're doing some good.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: in each of our interactions, it's going in with the idea, I want to help you solve a problem.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: I gotta understand the problem.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: And I get outside of my own head when I do that, by the way, but for somebody who's shy, who isn't quite confident, and this is what I get all the time.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: I'm an introvert.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: I don't know if I could be an effective presenter.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Mark, I will tell you my experience is the most effective speakers are almost always introverts.
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Mark Entrekin: Hmm, that's good to know.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Not a knock on extroverts, by the way. Extroverts have a physiological need to talk, that's just how they're wired. The problem is…
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: the message is often buried in a lot of verbiage. I don't know what the message is, and extroverts I have to work with to say, what's the point you're trying to make? Because it's lost in there.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Introverts tend to be more thoughtful first, and then speak.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: So it's just a misconception. Just because somebody talks, doesn't mean they're saying something of meaning.
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Mark Entrekin: Yeah, that's so true, because too many people are talking
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Mark Entrekin: And I'm sorry to say that they are just talking.
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Mark Entrekin: their information… May simply not be validated, as you're talking about.
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Mark Entrekin: They haven't identified for themselves on the story.
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Mark Entrekin: But…
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Right.
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Mark Entrekin: Sometimes they're told to be, they're said to be extroverts when
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Mark Entrekin: They're maybe just nervous people, but they're just talking…
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Mark Entrekin: Because they don't know what else to do.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Yeah, it's like, I'm talking because I'm supposed to talk, but I have no message, I have no point. And because of the work you do, I think this is so important, we're talking over one another.
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Mark Entrekin: Very well said.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Yeah, that's why this trio is so important, because be aware of what's going on inside your head, doesn't mean you have to say it out loud. Now, go find out what the other person's thinking.
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Mark Entrekin: And in that process, one of the things that we talked about earlier, maybe we have about 5 minutes left.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Sure.
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Mark Entrekin: what do we do to keep it positive? Because we've said about the negativity, and people… I talk all the time about people finding something wrong.
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Mark Entrekin: How can we two… how can we talk about what you're saying in the storytelling? Now, there's some negative things, but I still… I love the story you talked about when you're standing up on your desk.
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Mark Entrekin: It's a negative story, but it had a good point, and it had a positive ending.
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Mark Entrekin: How can we share that and grow that into more of what we're doing, and be positive in what?
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Mark Entrekin: In our stories.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: It's an important question to ask yourself, what was good about this?
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: One of my fellow coaches, she is brilliant. She asks this question of everyone she works with, okay, and she's worked with some people that have been through some really tough times.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: What good came out of that? Something positive came out of it.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Like, I'm not the only person in the world whose father left at 2 years old, or when I was a kid.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: But I've met people who still hang on to that.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: To me.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: I was an angry child, I didn't know why, my mom said I was always angry because that happened, but when I look back, I got the best dad in the world. He's not my stepdad, he's my dad!
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: I wouldn't have had that experience. So he did me a favor leaving.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: I think it also made me more sensitive to people who were in that situation.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: So, ask yourself, and just get a piece of paper, okay, this is this thing that happened, what was the good that came out of it? Just like my other exercise. Here's the story, what's the counter to that?
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: You know, it's got hundreds of people who think I'm worth sticking around for.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: this bad thing happened, what was good? And I've heard stories from people who've gone through some real trauma who turned it around.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: So, that, that's.
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Mark Entrekin: I think that's excellent right there, that can turn that trauma around. I'm sorry, go ahead.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: No, that's it, just… it's all about telling a different story. What's the new story you're going to attach to that incident that is a benefit you've achieved?
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Mark Entrekin: That's so, so true. We're getting close to closing. Michael, thank you again, but for our listeners today.
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Mark Entrekin: If they remember nothing else about what you've said today, can you help us with at least one takeaway that you hope stays with them
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Mark Entrekin: About the power of storytelling.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Yes.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: I don't care what your background is.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: what your job title or self-labeling, doesn't matter. You have experiences that other people must hear.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Because a lot of people are walking around today hurting, they're afraid, they've got struggles they don't know how to get over.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: And this isn't about… Having won a gold medal.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Or overcoming a major life illness, or…
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: finding Titanic at the bottom of the ocean. It's about those everyday experiences that we can all relate to, the universal experiences.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: That when you share how you overcame that, you're helping others.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: So people need to hear about your experiences and hear your story.
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Mark Entrekin: It is so true, Michael. Thank you so much. Wow, what an incredible podcast, Michael Davis.
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Mark Entrekin: And your journey is a testament to resilience, things that you learned and you built, even the negative, the trauma and what you've taken from it.
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Mark Entrekin: You yourself once terrified of public speaking for over 25 years, and seeing what you do today, a threatened job.
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Mark Entrekin: Pushed you to confront.
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Mark Entrekin: Your fears and your learning? You've transformed challenges into a mission?
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Mark Entrekin: You've done so much in helping other leaders and professionals master just that human connection and deliver messages that reach over 6 million people.
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Mark Entrekin: That is so much, Michael. Thank you. Thank you. …so much for what you do, and thank you for being here today.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Oh, my pleasure. Again, we're looking forward to seeing you a year from now, when you've got 2 years under your belt.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: I love that. It'll make that happen, so…
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Mark Entrekin: Because it's all of us working together, and I'm glad you said that. Because we have to remember that, just like what you're talking about.
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Mark Entrekin: Unity itself.
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Mark Entrekin: As I'll talk about the achieving unity, unity's not just an ideal.
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Mark Entrekin: It's a success strategy. It's a daily choice to lead with empathy, act with integrity, and uplift others along the way, like I think you have done today, Michael, in helping us. A service that we can continue to give and learn from.
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Mark Entrekin: for free.
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Mark Entrekin: For years, as we gained so much for ourselves.
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Mark Entrekin: And if what… Anything that was shared today?
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Mark Entrekin: for Michael, for myself, resonates with any of our listeners. If you're listening to this today for being here.
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Mark Entrekin: from listening to it later, listening to the recording, reach out to us. Reach out to me at barcatTricken.com.
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Mark Entrekin: go out and look at Michael Davis and his…
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Mark Entrekin: It's YouTube? Find him. Connect with him.
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Mark Entrekin: Let's help things happen in what we do and how we grow forward, because that storytelling can help each of us be able to talk better with others and better understanding.
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Mark Entrekin: Again, please come back.
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Mark Entrekin: Michael, thank you again. Appreciate it so much.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Enjoyed it.
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Mark Entrekin: Until next time, let us keep transforming that chaos of talking, as well as unity, into connection.
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Mark Entrekin: Michael's talking about storytelling is a connection.
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Mark Entrekin: So let us continue.
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Mark Entrekin: Through that, achieving unity.
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Mark Entrekin: Reach me at www.chiviunity.com. Of course, call me. 303-362-8733, which is what?
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Mark Entrekin: 303 focused. When we can stay focused.
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Mark Entrekin: Focused on storytelling, focused on what Michael has told us today.
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Mark Entrekin: Focus on turning chaos into connection as we achieve unity.
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Mark Entrekin: By harnessing that power.
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Mark Entrekin: of encouraging, inspiring, and including others in building better businesses, better lives, and a better world. I'd love to see more of it each and every day than I think Michael would, and I hope that you would. Life is truly what we make it, so let's make it awesome together in unity.
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Mark Entrekin: Thank you all. Thank you again, Michael. I'm so glad you were here today. I've learned from you. I hope I can take what you're saying and your message of helping others with me.
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Michael Davis, SpeakingCPR.com: Each and every day.
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Mark Entrekin: So again, I know we'll see each other in other meetings and other times. Audience, thank you for being here so much. I hope to see you all again next week.
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Mark Entrekin: Till then.
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Mark Entrekin: Cheers.